Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. He is a ministry collaborator with . 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). Is this success? The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. I did read your comments. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . Thanks for this. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. Excellent post David. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. Your email address will not be published. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. Its always good to get correction! By the way I got your recommended book. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. John MacArthur. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. End of Discussion. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. Paragraph. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! What am I gonna do? including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. 1. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. I surrendered to a calling of God. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? It was not an accusation, nor an attack. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Opinion Mark Wingfield. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. Would you add John Piper, Tim Keller and Alaister Begg to your bonfire? He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. Their influence has been growing and recently . IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. It just looks weird. The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. I will reply to them briefly. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Legal Statement. 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