I was expecting to catch up with my friend one-on-one at the restaurant, only to discover that he had several friends in tow. Its very common for people to recall the past in a way that reflects an idealized world, or at least one that mirrors a happy period in their young life. I think Laura Ingalls Wilder imprinted that on me. Meet you at the theater at 1:40?. A very important step to take here is to give him prior notice. Which goes to show how very individual the boundaries are. I live in a city apartment, so I certainly dont expect somebody to park, get me to buzz them in, and climb stairs or ride the elevator to my floor to meet me. No, not all cleaning in advance of company is shame-cleaning. +1 to this. YES. Seconded! The days when everybody was on the same schedule and you knew which hours people were awake and prepared to receive visitors are in the past. How to Get Over a Guy You Had a Crush on Guys are simple creatures, but it can still be frustrating trying to get them to do what you want. Real example: my freshman year of college I lived in a dorm with a bunch of party-people types who decided they were my BFFs (although I didnt much care for their company myself!) We CANT know. Its not that different. But I also have friends where hey Im heading that way and Ill be there in an hour can I crash on your couch tonight? is completely acceptable (but also comes with a side of being told no, actually I cant crash tonight because kids are sick/family is in town/someone else has the couch). I discuss it more in this article, about when you're not sure if people are really interested in being friends with you or not. Their DNA will be rearranged to spell people are different, try to tactfully and honestly ask whats on their mind. The dropping by for a hug comes over as very needy. Unless I evict them, I cant have my house in a perpetual state of readiness (my version) for visitors, therefore DO NOT PRESENT YOURSELF AT MY HOME WITHOUT PRIOR ARRANGEMENT. 1. You could get his favorite game and ask to play at his house. I read around before writing this article, to see what other people had to say on the subject. Does it matter that T did come to my sons birthday party (not at our house) last week? It conveys a message that you are not even expecting to be invited, seeing as you are going to hear all about if afterwards. Like, dude. Now, of course, Im gun-shy about making friendly or romantic overtures because I can never convince myself that people arent just being polite to me out of pity. See Id totally get that we should do this! doesnt actually mean it until you make specific plans, but as soon as someone actually mentions a day Id assume its something that is almost certainly going to happen and we just need to confirm the time. Had a neighbor knock over and over for 45 minutes, and then YELL at me when I came to the window, demanding I tell her why I wouldnt open the door when she knew I was home. If you, a person who lives in my giant city but not anywhere near the suburb where I live, happen to find yourself in that suburb, and want to grab a coffee/see a movie/a meal/a drink/a manicure. ! when someone shows up unexpectedly, and I only attend events I have been expressly invited to. But the script Id suggest for other events is, Cousin, this is really awkward, but we planned for a specific number of people and Im afraid we just cant have you over this time. I absolutely dont want to be visited at work, ever, by anybody. Be specific as to drawing out how late its okay to phone, how much notice she needs for an invitation for a meal, how much notice she needs if youre to drop by when youre in the neighborhood. I have wet hair from my recent shower, and there are piles of laundry all over the living room. You watch for the car and come out, or even sit on the front step and wait for your ride. I have to say that thats something that I admire about people I know who do make their preference for casual drop-in visiting known without turning into Martha Stewart every time they arent stressed out that there are dishes in the sink or that the bathrooms grimy. The easiest way to get a guy to invite you over is to suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it nearly impossible for him to say no. What counts as nothing pressing? Maybe they want to go home and do a Netflix marathon or something. "Through patience a ruler can be persuaded, and a gentle tongue can break a bone." (Proverbs 25: 15) I picked this up with friends who were perpetually late unless they got explicit reminders, though Im old enough now not to have patience for that kind of thing. If its going to be a regularly scheduled thing, then either setting up a scheduled hang out, or just giving me a heads up that this is a thing that is happening and that you would like to hang out is better. If the guy doesn't seem interested in your suggestion to get together at his place, let it go and move on. Theyre terribly nice like that they understand that it makes me uncomfortable, and so they dont put me in that position anymore. why didnt you tell me?? 1.5. I was reading that and thinking, wait, whys that shame-cleaning? Or if Im entertaining Alice who is my sister-in-law I will feel fine talking about this family event, to which Bob- not my brother!- is not invited. What about a SO situation? Although I still would only do it in a more extreme or solitary instance, rather than a pattern of behavior. Shes just rude. But I do think its actually not very polite to do it. Shes my full time carer and she has a job, so housework is one more stressor. I am finally on track to maybe getting hired on full-time at a law firm at a low (but better than nothing) salary. Person #1: I have my cousins baby shower on Saturday., Red light means stop. You may be as creative as you want, and if you are competent at cooking, they will be impressed if they say yes to your invitation. I think thats *incredibly* relevant to this issue. I can definitely see where youre coming from with all this. It will be 6pm and we can have dinner. I really like to have control over when I am around people. In the time before cell phones, or when Ive lived in more rural settings or traveled outside the U.S., the norms were and are different. One night at around midnight one of them (we shall call her Britney) woke my by pounding on my door with such ferocity that I thought there must be an emergency, so I opened the door. Shes even walked in the front door before when we didnt answer her knocking quickly enough. Its worth asking in terms of, We would love to have T. over this month, when would be a good time? Its a little bit presumptuous, as the phrasing presumes that of course T.s parents would be delighted to have the playdateso if they for some reason arent okay with that, theyll have to use their Adulting Skills and make their refusal more clearbut right now the ball needs to be put in their court with a little more firmness. Certain people, certain times in my life, I have been 100% okay with showing up unannounced at their place and vice versa. She had never received the invitations (thanks, post office! Invite Yourself Over. Possibly its an age thing or a location thing. I dont think you did it deliberately or out of meanness, but it can feel that way when youre trying to African Violet someone without telling them thats what youre doing. I cant tell if this is a serious enough thing that I should consider a caveat for this type of thing too. Others covered a lot of this for me already, but the short answer is that at 7 and with autism, my son is really, really not ready to be placed in charge of inviting his friend over. When you mention your leaky faucet or wonky DVR, and he offers to fix it, say yes and. He only ever is here for 15 minutes and hes been my husbands friend for more than 20 years so I dont feel as if I can be as agressive about my boundaries as I normally am. Nobody dropped by after about 8pm without prior arrangement because the children were in bed there were rules. The etiquette of invitations varies widely as to region, culture, relationship & history, personality, not to mention cellular phone ownership and use, and its a particular minefield for people who have anxiety around and/or trouble reading nonverbal or unwritten social cues. Like theres a huge difference between dropping by unannounced and saying something like Cable at my new place wont be hooked up till next week, can I watch Nurse Jackie with you at your house on Sunday? But navigating that kind of thing can be pretty tricky, and you do have to kind of gauge how close the friendship is and what the other persons preferences are before you say something like that. So yeah if you want me around youre going to have to TELL ME THAT, or Im going to mope at home wondering if Im inherently unlikable. She still isnt invited and she still isnt coming in. I wouldnt assume stop by for a hug means needy at all, so long as thats something the LW previously asked for/negotiated with her friend. The guy had the kind of job that involved getting up before dawn and he was already in bed he wasnt super impressed, and thats when I started really thinking about whether it was OK to just drop in on people not everyone has the same schedule as me. Brief excerpts (<250 words) may be shared with attribution & a link to the original post. Im embarrassed now when I think of how I chased after her. That seems like a perfect little interaction to me, am I missing something? Were all moving to different cities now so I guess it wont be a problem any more with that specific group. but people are not always logical. It says a lot about Monica (and me) that this is the way she expresses both her care for her friends and her need to be seen as caring and we could all do a deep dive on the psychology of that if we wanted, but I dont think thats the point. 2. My own perspective is that if a person just shows up at my house, not only am I going to pretend I am not at home, but I will also be demoting them several degrees in our relationship. But I guess this goes hand in hand with another (also common in my social circles) practice, that of regularly making tentative plans that are never executed. You BETTER be there because Im already on my way AND I washed my hair for you. I just recently reconnected with a friends who I lost touch with because of our different expectations. Its never occurred to me that anyone would find it rude! I guess I thought that since we already had plans to meet at his apartment, had sent an email, and could have come back later easily if when I arrived wasnt a good time for him, I didnt even think about it. (Mine: Id rather you called first, but if you dont, be willing to accept that I might tell you that its not a convenient time and ask you to leave.) This. You could then and could now. If you havent either asked me to pass your invitation OR invited him directly, you havent invited him. You might be one of them. The end. (Im not saying they were saying that, or that youre wrong to feel affronted, just giving my read). I love short-notice hangouts, with close friends or family who I feel comfortable saying no way, my house is a sty and I wanna have a nap to if I need to, but hearing a knock at the door when Im not expecting anyone makes my blood pressure skyrocket. What's tricky about all of this is how much it depends on a mix of factors. Personally, Im totally fine with friends just showing up at my house. If youre running late, it should be up to you to text them. He worked from home-so he thought it disrespectful to not treat his home like any other office. My mums completely different. @lizzieonawhim: Ugh, yes. I dont mind close friends stopping by, especially if they call/text/email first to let me know theyre in the area. The distinction I was trying to awkwardly makie was that a drop-in visit deprives those people who enjoy the lead up to hosting of that lead up (whether it comes in the form of fancy soap, baking, the chance to make DIY napkin holders, etc.). Then she would get an answer thats specific to her local culture. My home is my sacred space, man. Hoshit, I missed the cleaning remark the first time. Maybe by unpacking this for you we can make a lot of people feel more comfortable and less anxious about this. Its definitely been the type of thing where they expect four people to join them for their birthday dinner and BAM, Clueless Cousin is there already. It works well in less formal situations, whether you know someone well or not, you can use these questions to make an invitation: Are you free to? They also make me pretty tired. A downside to this is it can feel like youre expecting the person to ask you to come inside if they need a few more minutes. It would be different if I was hanging out with two people and then only plotted with one of them. Big +1 on the relevance of the increasing distance here. Even if some or all of those things were not true, I still, like everyone else, have a right to privacy and personal space. I dont think either method is wrong, but its hard to make them compatible. If an event just seems like the organizers want to keep it small. But I do mind when people try to invite themselves along when I already have plans, or show up unannounced when Im entertaining someone else and then give me shit about what I do on my own time, in my own house. I never quite mastered the maintenance part of cleaning, so having people over is a BIG DEAL. Absolutely. 1600, masturbate to porn; 1630, cleanup; 1700, SO arrives. So if any of the people they had carefully arranged in their schedule/chessboard had the temerity to break pattern and show up early or try to clean under the bed or anything that threatened to bring the two sides of their lives together theyd explode with rageand since they couldnt talk about the actual cause of their anger, they often used bullshit nonsensical excuses, like, When you sweep for dustbunnies under the bed it implies you think Im a disgusting person. (Instead of: that is where I keep evidence about my affairs. Im someone with a developmental disorder, and commenting on other people doing bizarre and/or not-okay things with stuff that says theyre just like a three-year-old or mentally twelve or whatever is really, really gross. I have pretty much had it. Luckily for you, this article will show you every tip you will need to get to your end goal. I dont think it was all or nothing when I was a kid. Later, after invites had gone out and the spares were given to the Bride, Bride told housemate to tell me I was invited verbally while at some other event. Your choices are to accept that and reduce your attempts to hang out, or to ask her directly whats going on. I think big expensive things get a pass on the discussing in front of others thing. I am not good at dealing with such people. I felt like this was sort of a default thing that everyone did until I met a friend of a friend and we became semi-close. My mom, my sister and I had come to town planned ahead of time to arrive at their house and have dinner. Maybe I'll drop by later. 21. The LW has correctly identified that there is a problem with this friend and is taking steps to fix it. I never lived in those days. Id say, just go ahead and ask. I dont know if it was the same kind of thing for you, but my father and stepmother were always doing the Im going to ask you what sounds like a question but it really isnt and then shame you for failing to have manners I havent actually taught you and oh what an embarrassing child you are game. Day. If she says 3pm pick something fun to do, and leave your house at 3:15. I *will* mind if they then invite themselves into my house, which I may or may not have cleaned recently, and the 10 minutes turns into 2 or 3 or more hours of unplanned socializing. Don't just say, "I was thinking I could come over on Friday." If its an emergency situation or a hey I remembered that I borrowed this from you or that you wanted to borrow this so I thought Id drop it off and then get back on my way Im ok with it. Its a lot about how much lead time I need to prepare the proper conditions for the activity. THE LAUGHING GIRL MYSTERY. :-) UPDATED: So I had a conversation with my friend about something else, and it came up in conversation and she invited us, so we're going there. for interacting with friends; call it a friend-state. If its someone I havent seen in a while who is finally back in town and a surprise its both good and bad. Group gaslighting is just so fun (not). Can you actually trust people to say what they mean and not get mad because youre not a mind-reader? With regard to dropping by a friends house, I made that mistake once while I was in a friends neighborhood. Sorry you had to deal with all that. In more structured situations (like my wedding) they arrived in event-appropriate attire with their inside voices intact, consistent with their middle class upbringing and higher education level. I actually wanted to start dinner like an hour ago. Moreover, I dont quite understand what I said wrong (I wish I could remember the exact words I used). Id MUCH rather have a conversation like: THEM: We missed you at [that Thing], why didnt you come? Im still not sure how one knows the difference without being told explicitly so I still err on the side of isolating myself / not imposing my presence on people. Pare it down to the necessities. She still isnt invited and she still isnt coming in. Maybe the venue is small. If youre a very social person and if you do know how to stick to a time limit then leave, awesome. I had to talk to my best friend gently about that. I dont think Id send the same sort of can I drop in? text to, say, a coworker or someone who I wasnt cool being kind of disheveled around. The hugest part of it is that I cannot bear to have people see inside my house unless it is perfectly tidy and the floors vacuumed/washed, and every surface freshly wiped down, and no dirty dishes, and with refreshments ready etc (thank you, my mother, for your hostess-shame legacy) and as mentioned I have children. I have been very firm that we can invite her friends to our home or to a public place like a park but we cant tell them we are coming to them. If this is a guy you've been seeing for awhile, but he's refused to have you over, there's a chance he's hiding something. Dont even start playing that game you wanted to play, or reading that book youre reading, because god forbid youre in the middle of something when someone arrives! It definitely hurts Mr Birds feelings to find out later that his dad, who we have a good relationship with but are only able to see a few times a year, was in Big Town all day with plenty of free time and didnt stop by (or call to see if wed be free that day). - JAD Aug 1, 2017 at 14:12 3 "Do take pictures" could be an alternative - JollyJoker Aug 1, 2017 at 14:44 9 Dr. Josh Mulvihill joins Yvette to talk about the blessing of grandparents. That it would never occur to me to perceive that others regard me as less-than for possibly benefiting from their input may also help. If someone says, Hey, this was a special event and you werent technically invited to it, she throws a tantrum. A free guide to getting past social awkwardness, you're not sure if people are really interested in being friends with you or not. Its not a thing where assumptions will actually pay off. (Im sorry I have a lot of issues around this sort of thing ahahah). 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