I mean, one of the things that's sort of really exciting and fascinating about the podcast is you've got front-page news coverage of this stuff. And then fast-forward from the Christian Front trial in 1940 to 1944, 1944 when the great sedition trial finally gets going, and this is in later episodes of the podcast, theres so many powerful members of Congress and members of the Senate who are implicated in this plot and in this investigation that has led to this trial, that they come in and, you know, witch hunt, hoax. I feel done. It is everything that I would have wanted. bookmark NEWS SHOW access_time 11/21/2022 person Mod chat_bubble 0. Rachel Maddow: That makes for a good booze ballad. You also agree to our. Since then, he has written extensively for The Western Journal on the Trump administration as well as foreign policy and military issues. Rachel Maddow: Theyre running, literally, Hitler youth summer camps --. I love that scientific part of it. And if that thing isn't there at the end of the day, like, I got the day off --. Chris Hayes: Yeah. Rachel Maddow: Yes, and that's got a whole lot of technical elements to it, like, dont --, Rachel Maddow: -- dont use too many proper nouns that are --, Chris Hayes: -- magicians trick, it really is, like --, Rachel Maddow: -- but you know how to do it. So when Doni, our producer who's here, you guys are very closely held with the details of this, which made sense. "Chris is always good he deserves a much bigger national reputation. The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell. And the thing that I thought was beautiful about this is that, at the end of this whole thing, exposing the Christian Front and talking about how theyre essentially --. Harriet Johnson, I only took out in the draft before you got that rough cut, so --, Chris Hayes: Right, because you didn't want to give me two names that I had to manage --. And so one of the most remarkable things about the history of Coughlin is the end of Coughlin, which is --, Rachel Maddow: -- in part because his radicalism is freaking people out, but its mostly because the Catholic church pulls the plug on him, and he allows for that. Chris Hayes: -- 54 in 1920, 59 and then famously 60 in 1927. Sour Patch Lyds (@sourpatchlyds) October 5, 2022. On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. You take the base average the number of viewers who tune in at a specific time slot, no matter the host then measure whether a particular host raises, drops or maintains that average.. For example, The Rachel Maddow Show averaged 2.6 million in 2021 at 9 pm. I'm not spoiling it. Chris hosts programs like beat with Chris Hayes, a weekday news and opinion television program on MSNBC. Rachel Maddow is incredible. And the same agents in the Hitler government, operating through the same channels, was doing both of those things simultaneously. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. Like, oh, dont worry too much about what youre hearing about the supposed Jews being supposedly persecuted. After Maddow's nine-week sabbatical, she returned to The Rachel Maddow Show on April 11 and made it official for her viewers: They'd have her four nights a week through the end of the month,. So that, to me, was like incredibly exciting. But he writes from an interesting perspective about the theology of Coughlin --, Rachel Maddow: -- and the sort of struggle in the church in terms of when they were going to pull the plug on him and why. Rachel Maddow: -- you know, get them arrested. Chris Hayes: You know, we have D-Day. In the first quarter of 2015, "The Rachel Maddow Show" was ranked 26th among all cable news shows. Hayes is not the only one who had to recently explain why a swastika has appeared in a place where it would hardly be expected, according to news reports. And he gave me some two-sentence sketch that he'd been given. Rachel Maddow: Did this really happen or is this a play? Rachel Maddow: Rachel wrote a fiction podcast? Chris Hayes: Well, the thing I was going to say is its hard for good reasons, too, which gets this point of like what liberal democracy is and why we cherish it. Chris Hayes: He really does, one of the genuine talents he has is sort of terrible in everything else. Rachel Maddow: -- and freaks and crooks and, you know, people who dont pay their taxes. And then there's just a person who comes along who's just better at it, just better at hitting baseballs and completely revolutionizes, like, what it is to be a hitter in Major League Baseball. The Chris Hayes Podcast" to discuss what she's been up to since dialing back from her nightly cable news show, how she found the story that's told in her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," the editorial and creative process that has followed, and more. Chris Hayes: Yes, but the opening scene of this podcast, you're just, like, I don't know who this guy is. Chris Hayes: Thats the other thing, yeah. "Last Word" is now No. I communicate for a living. Is that a story about American fascism? I try to tell stories for a living. Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. But it's this great, I think, very resonant tension between something happening that does seem to require a criminal law response that is not well-managed by a criminal law response. Rachel Maddow: Oh, in terms of legitimately not knowing what's coming next? I'm not pulling this from memory. And so you're focused on that name. . Its called "The Christian Front: Coughlins Storm Troopers," which was put out by an anti-fascist organization that was trying to raise awareness about the Christian Front. And so, what we end up with is the Justice Department, not stumbling onto but discovering the contours of this plot by the Hitler government to use members of Congress to distribute Nazi propaganda in quantity to the American public. Earlier this week, CNN Business reported that Maddow's nightly show will end in 2022. Twitter users who were interested in inspecting the books that formed the backdrop to the photo noticed that when they magnified the picture, a document with a swastika on its cover was visible near Hayess right hip. And it was front-page news, and it was a huge deal. Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 4, 2022. Rachel Maddow: What did he tell you? And I was just like, OK, well. It's called "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra." IE 11 is not supported. Rachel Maddow: A bad guy needing to be opposed by force to save you, your family and all that you hold dear. That happened. And some are doing extremely well, like at an incredibly high level, playing Major League Baseball. Dog whistle, much? one Twitter user posted, while another wrote, Whats this? in bafflement. Search us up on TikTok by searching for WITHpod. "Upon careful consideration, I have terminated my relationship with the Lincoln Project, effective immediately," Ms . blend together . Chris Hayes: -- its wild that this happens, that this level of sort of fame and stardom and influence happens within the hierarchy of the Catholic clergy where he just literally just a literal random parish priest. And the great sedition trial in the end doesnt work for all sorts of amazing reasons, and he ends his career at the Justice Department. Rachel Maddow: -- your story and learn it. Like think about what that would translate to in terms of todays ratings. You could do the whole thing on, you know, the German agents who were getting the Lindberghs and the other --. You know what I mean? Point is, Babe Ruth was sort of just doing something different than every other baseball player was doing. News, Politics, Culture, and more in realtime. January 17th, 80 years to the day earlier, January 17th, 1940, the front-page story in every newspaper in the country is about the arrest of 17 members of the Christian Front militia. And here he is, like, arguing for (inaudible) --. But compartmentalization is important so that you can work this intensely. Rachel Maddow: -- like dies of a heart ailment in her early '40s. And the fact is that even after Pearl Harbor, the groups that were planning the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, they took on a different caste because then, you know, we were at war. And the Justice Department, youre the Justice Department, you cant do that. And the unhealthful thing about my new life is that I've lost one very healthy thing that I had, which was strict compartmentalization --, Rachel Maddow: -- which is between weekdays and weekends and --, Rachel Maddow: -- working and not working --, Chris Hayes: I say this to people all the time when they say, "Well, oh, God, it must be crazy when you go on vacation. January 17th is when they got arrested. And everybody is like --. A Goodwill branch has, too. He is also the host of the Up with Chris Hayes show which airs on weekends. I was really interested in some of the sort of deep, radical right, ultra-right stuff that was happening in the country in the post-World War II era leading into the Reagan era. There was a huge amount of, probably, a bigger category of not outright Nazi sympathizers but people who are, like, kind of equivocal about the whole thing. A joke kills, they keep it. He gets fired by going rogue and saying, "We didnt get a conviction, but Im going to tell you what our evidence was. Here in the televisual medium for a very, very special, exciting episode, I'm going to start with a sports metaphor, if you'll indulge me. That's awesome. If you listen to Bagman, it'll be familiar, but it's also different and new. I would say that theres a recognizably fascist cadence, like theres a certain tenor and cadence and rhythm --, Chris Hayes: -- to fascist incitement and then --. Rachel Maddow: Yes. And the way you do the work to get them there is to assume that people know nothing when you start, right. Chris Hayes: That, like, a lot of times you come in, you're talking to a spouse or a friend or a therapist, and you're, like, talking about things in your life. Those movements came from somewhere. Rachel Maddow: Tom Barrack, literally on trial right now --. The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. All sorts of other efforts against those forces did work. Is that a history about Hitler? A joke dies, they cut it. I just think we need some energy in it, and Im hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who have done it well can give us some energy. Doni, do you remember what you told him? Coughlin starts out as a kind of like not quite left figure, but he is supportive of the New Deal. Jon Stewart enters the game - In light of the influence Jon Stewart had in encouraging the passage of the 9/11 first responders bill, The Rachel Maddow Show replays a portion of his interview with Rachel Maddow in which he discusses whether he's a player or spectator in the game of politics. They have their first daughter named Ryan Elizabeth Shaw-Hayes born in November 2011. ", Chris Hayes: Like, a round of applause for this, like --, Chris Hayes: -- please, yes. Chris Hayes: Well, this is part of what makes this so interesting. Practical steps for Americans reading this who are concerned about this. Rachel Maddow: And if we can't be real and, like, sort of justly calibrated in terms of thinking about American fascism, and American authoritarianism, and indeed American support for Hitler in the leadup to Pearl Harbor, then I think we can't be real and clearsighted about the persistence of those movements over time as the generations have gone on. Rachel Maddow: Thanks for being so nice. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. And my friend and colleague, Rachel Maddow, is one of those people. Yeah, it's about titrating that stuff. On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. They do that over and over in the workrooms and the app gets better and better and tighter and tighter, and the really good ones come up with something amazing that they could show up at any room across the country and kill. And then they orchestrated using agent provocateur. They didn't want Nazi war criminals being put on trial because that was unfair to the Nazis. Here's the thing, I'm in this weird thing where it's like I don't want to spoil it, but kind of have to talk about the content of the podcast. And then the Cold War, right? August 14, 2022 12:13pm. In its zeal to pin the blame for its own incompetence and for Epsteins crimes on Maxwell, the Government breached its promise. B, you can petition your local city council and police to take action within the existing law and without violating the right of free speech against the incitements to riot from the Christian Front. That was 1940, and then by 1941, we were in World War II, and we moved on. Rachel Maddow: I was going to say, we're going to get a call from Mr. Stern, yeah. When I go on vacation, I take Twitter off my phone and I don't know what's happening in the world. Some were acquitted, the rest were off in a mistrial. I mean, if you take people at face value and you believe that they are arguing earnestly for what they believe, those are fascinating and substantive arguments, which also occluded a lot of active fascist-organizing in the United States at the time. . You can have fascist feelings. "The Rachel Maddow Show" generates nearly 1 million viewers more than bookend programs hosted by Chris Hayes and Lawrence O'Donnell. Happy? Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. And how much do you think about suspense? Like, that theres no final victory over the forces of it, even though I feel like the story of World War II and particularly the story of that, you know, its like the defeat of Nazis and fascism, the purging of Nazis and fascists from the continent, although not really in France. I just think we need some energy in it. He gets on the air in the United States just after Kristallnacht, and basically says, yeah, the Jews had it coming. Read our editorial standards. (3:10) NBC had to retract a fabricated Today Show story that reignited the fascists' homophobic conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi. What was that Howard Stern bit (ph)? That deal will give Maddow, the highest-rated host on MSNBC, a jaw-dropping $30 million per year to keep her with the company through the 2024 election, according to four people familiar with the matter. Theres other nuances but --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, I mean, Hitler literally led a mob against the seat of government --. I'm getting weirdly teary. 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Chris Hayes: As I've been listening to this, I've been thinking about just the rupture that happens with Pearl Harbor. They wrote their own books about it. You made me meet me half the feelings. 9PM-112122. Rachel Maddow: That's why I'm always up after midnight working on this stuff. Are you Dorothy Thompson or Drew Pearson, one of these nationally syndicated, incredibly powerful journalists who has to decide where youre going to train your fire power? You know, I always think of him like a standup comedian where, you know, good standup comedians that go up and they get feedback from the room, and they iterate. So Charles Coughlin, I think everybodys heard of him. Jack Davis is a freelance writer who joined The Western Journal in July 2015 and chronicled the campaign that saw President Donald Trump elected. And now I feel like I can. So there's a little bit of like heartbreak and joy that came when Rachel said that she was going to step away from "The Daily Show" and have "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Monday nights. I can keep doing what I'm doing. This was 1939. So there's a new podcast out. Rachel Maddow: -- 10:30. There were 130 million Americans in terms of our population at the time, 30 million of them every week were listening to him. So I hadn't gotten the actual cuts of the first two episodes. Rachel Maddow: And that magic of being like, the show is over, I'm going to --. To be like, "Thank you. I mean, this is --, Chris Hayes: -- stuff that is top of mind at the time, big news --. Like the people who are listening are like, "Wait, who's the senator?". So I was like --. It's like, you could leave the job but, like, the you follows you. May 8, 2013. I'm in Rachel's head, and I'm in her world." Chris Hayes: Yeah, hes just a parish priest. Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 5, 2022 "Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. But if you think about a sedition trial like sedition is trying to overthrow the government by force, if you succeeded in your seditious plot --. Rachel Maddow: -- fight fascism and save the country. He always deliberately keeps his show going one or two minutes into her time slot. ELIJAH SCHAFFER (@ElijahSchaffer) October 5, 2022, Whats going on with the German National Socialist propaganda, Chris? I think that American journalism is strong and has all the right instincts and can lead. Theres a role for journalism, there is a role for activism. Chris Hayes: Well, and it also, I mean, the obvious resonance is here with the current day. I mean, what I do think about is not assuming that anybody knows anything, but also expecting that everybody can go everywhere, right. Chris Hayes: -- senator from Minnesota. It ends up being very handy. Chris Hayes: Yeah, exactly. 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